What do you think is the best weapon element in this game?
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@Molokot,
The Wiki lists RAW damage against a neutral target (zero defense, zero resistance). That's pretty standard as that's the only way to have a simple spreadsheet. Obviously, armour and resistance play a huge role in ACTUAL damage. Skills and traits also play a notable role in ACTUAL damage.
For some builds, esp 2-H Warriors using Charge and Whirlwind, physical damage can be more useful as crits, and most attacks add a damage modifier to physical damage only. But that isn't the case across the board. 1-H warriors can do quite nicely with the right elemental weapon.
The Wiki lists RAW damage against a neutral target (zero defense, zero resistance). That's pretty standard as that's the only way to have a simple spreadsheet. Obviously, armour and resistance play a huge role in ACTUAL damage. Skills and traits also play a notable role in ACTUAL damage.
For some builds, esp 2-H Warriors using Charge and Whirlwind, physical damage can be more useful as crits, and most attacks add a damage modifier to physical damage only. But that isn't the case across the board. 1-H warriors can do quite nicely with the right elemental weapon.
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Well if you would show only physical damage as dps then spread sheet also would be simple and much more accurate. And only exception to that are mage pure elemental weapons, because they get all bonuses. What it shows now , can be quite confusing for new players.
Lets see a simple example to explain to people who dont get it:
(i am taking now those values out of blue,sory dont have damage table in my head)
Monster has 30 armor , then with 14 damage weapon 7 damage pases thru it ,and with crit 28.
With 7physical and 7 elemental damage 0 damage pases and 10 with crit + elemental damage modified by monster resistance.
And tough monsters are usualy quite resitant to all kind of elemental damage.
so if u have 15% crit chance you will do 85x7 +15 x28=1015 damage and with elemental weapon you will do 15x10=150 damage and even if u optimisticly count that 7 x100 elemental damage then its still 850.
And this exaple doasnt realy show the diffrence because high end physical damage builds produce much bigger diffrence.
So if your character learned crit skills ,1 type damage weapons are much better.
Early game on low levels and or without crit skills diffrence is smaller.
Lets see a simple example to explain to people who dont get it:
(i am taking now those values out of blue,sory dont have damage table in my head)
Monster has 30 armor , then with 14 damage weapon 7 damage pases thru it ,and with crit 28.
With 7physical and 7 elemental damage 0 damage pases and 10 with crit + elemental damage modified by monster resistance.
And tough monsters are usualy quite resitant to all kind of elemental damage.
so if u have 15% crit chance you will do 85x7 +15 x28=1015 damage and with elemental weapon you will do 15x10=150 damage and even if u optimisticly count that 7 x100 elemental damage then its still 850.
And this exaple doasnt realy show the diffrence because high end physical damage builds produce much bigger diffrence.
So if your character learned crit skills ,1 type damage weapons are much better.
Early game on low levels and or without crit skills diffrence is smaller.
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So your solution to a common spread issue is to make a totally inaccurate sheet?
For weapons that have an elemental damage bonus, that elemental damage can easily be 20% to 50% of the raw damage. So leaving it out would be rather .... odd.
And yes, tougher enemies tend to have tougher resistances. But a majority of tough enemies have at least one weakness, or low resistance.
So rather than having a highly inaccurate DPS spreadsheet, having a single spreadsheet that lists raw DPS before various factors is much easier. And rather common across games.
As for player confusion, it seems most players are aware that raw damage is before defense, resistance and other factors are calculated. However, it would be fairly easy to add that type of statement to the current sheets just to improve clarity.
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Decurion Deserters and Liches have the same Armour value, 29. But as Deserters have Shields they resist between 12 and 29 points of Physical damage whereas the Lich will resist between 6 and 29. (With the proviso 20% always gets through). So a Physical weapon will have a literally different DPS on each creature. And any Spirit bonus is guaranteed damage because neither has any resistance.
Basically all a single table can do is give a kind of "best case" DPS scenario, it will vary case-by-case against opponent.
Basically all a single table can do is give a kind of "best case" DPS scenario, it will vary case-by-case against opponent.
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It just isn't so. Elemental damage dealt depends on enemy type. Some could even be healed, but some can be killed only with certain elemental type.
It's complicated and certainly trying to say that's simple math doesn't stand true.
Please, don't try to make simple explanation of very complex system.
It's complicated and certainly trying to say that's simple math doesn't stand true.
Please, don't try to make simple explanation of very complex system.
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Yes Elemental damage depends on enemy type, but physical doasnt. And thats why 9-14 mace with stun that you can practicly have from begining of the game(well you have to steal it from manticores) is op as hell. And any other hard to get mace that is 6-9 +whatever elemental damage is complete junk.